Feb. 3, 2023

Neurodiversity in Relationships: Mastering Communication and Understanding

In this podcast, Alicia and Sean Ford, a neurodiverse couple married for 17 years, fight for their relationship by uncovering the root of their communication problems, discovering the power of neurodiversity and learning unique tools to help them both thrive.

After discovering Sean's neurodiversity and finding a unique framework to understand each other, they created a program to help neurodiverse couples and relationships.

Alicia and Sean have been married for 17 years and have 4 neurodiverse sons. They were unaware of any type of neurodiversity for 8 years until they discovered Sean was neurodiverse and their children had various conditions. Through their struggles and determination to stay together, they discovered a unique framework that enabled them to understand each other and rewire their brains. Now, they help other neurodiverse couples in crisis, giving them the tools to stabilize and understand the language of their brains.

In this episode, you will learn the following:
1. How a Neurodiverse Couple Overcame Struggles in Marriage and Redefined Their Relationship
2. How Understanding Different Brain Types Can Unlock Communication Breakthroughs
3. The Powerful Metaphor of Treating Marriage Like a Car Accident at a Four-Way Stop

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Transcription Speaker A 00:00:05 All right , everybody , welcome back . Second in command . Fans, this is the second in command under the Lucky Titan show as a lot of you guys already know, because you've been watching this for a while , I have. On here today I've got Alicia and Sean Ford. You guys are in for a real treat . I feel like in the research I was doing before the show, I don't know these guys otherwise in just a few minutes of knowing them here and they're awesome, but the research I did before , they are into say the word again. Speaker B 00:00:30 Neurodiverse . Speaker A 00:00:31 Neurodiverse . Speaker B 00:00:33 Neurodiversity , yeah, neurodiversity . Speaker A 00:00:36 Their entire life is neurodiversity . Right? The more and more I looked into that . So I'm going to let you guys introduce yourself and just we'll hop in to ask you some more questions , but if you could just give us a quick two minute , whatever you are. Speaker B 00:00:48 Yeah, well, I guess I'll speak and you can jump in and interrupt me when you feel necessary . But my name is Alecia and this is Sean. And we've been married for 17 years. We have four neurodiverse sons and we actually were not aware of any kind of neuro diversity for the longest time . Well, actually I was I grew up with a sister who is autistic and she's considered ASC level three . That is the correct term for it nowadays . It could change by tomorrow , so please don't hate me or cancel me if that's the wrong one, but I grew up without my entire life, but that was not a type of neurodiversity that I was I wasn't really familiar with any other type of neurodiversity . So I was really not looking or kind of I didn't really have my eyes open to any other type . So it was eight years into our relationship when we found out my husband was neuro diverse . He was diagnosed with autism ASC level one and then we found out pretty much the rest of our kids and I'm ADHD. And so we are a neuro diverse family and through our struggles and through all the hard things that we went through and we had a really unique situation . We were making custom cakes around each other, 24/7, not sleeping . And all of our children and their situations that they're in, they're in the entertainment industry and if you know anything about the entertainment industry , there is last minute changes and called times this and there's auditions and everything , all the different changes which lashes extremely with somebody who has neurodiversity or someone with autism , actually . So we were in situations that were extremely triggering to our own neurodiversities and in tight cramped quarters , as my mom called it. It was like we were in a never ending road trip when you're all kind of stuck on top of each other and our little house and everything that we were in at the time . Speaker C 00:02:41 I love it. Speaker B 00:02:43 Yeah, it was really kind of crazy, but it created the really perfect catalyst for actually turmoil and a really hard time . It was horrible , actually . But it was because of that hard time and both of our determination to stick it out and stay together , because we couldn't resolve the two truths that we knew. I know you're a good person . I know you're crazy in psycho . And so there was no way to resolve these two , to make them mesh within our own brains . And so we fought for that to try to make sense and try to have those two truths be merged . And it wasn't until we had our breakthrough about three years ago that we both discovered a really unique framework and being able to understand each other and where we understood and figured out his brain type . He's what we call a manual processor , and I'm a hyper processor . And it is our brain type that determines our brain language and the way we see the world and the way we understand everything and the way we're internalizing all of our experiences . And because of that , we kept trying to interpret each other and our behavior from our own framework . Our own framework as a hybrid processor . So somebody as a hyper processor acting the way he did was a complete crazy person and psycho and somebody who's a manual processor , looking at the way I was acting , if a manual processor behaved the way I was acting , complete and total psycho , total crazy person . So when we're able to understand the framework of who we were and understand each other, we were able to come together and we were actually when I realized that he was so literal and concrete and that that was kind of the root of what his issues were in dealing with this world and understanding it was actually able to give him some tools and instructions written in his language , I guess you could say. And so that was able to help kind of rewire his brain . And the results were amazing . And it was so awesome. It happened so quick , and his brain was super flexible . And then two and a half years later, he actually helped fix my brain . So it was kind of like I had to go in after him. I had to go deep dive and get him out . And then he came and he was like, there's still something not right about you. And then he helped me. So it was through that and us sharing our story that our community just grew, and it got huge. And there's nothing out there like it, and there's really not a lot of hope for neurodiverse couples and relationships out there . I know I talked a lot . Speaker A 00:05:10 I love that . I'll let you jump in here, Shawn, in a second , but just to throw my bit in there . So this season that we're working on, of the show right now is all about organizing the chaos . So I love that you guys are here because I think this is like what's the epitaph or whatever it is? Speaker B 00:05:26 Yeah. Speaker A 00:05:30 Did I cut you off ? Do you have something you want to throw in there too ? Speaker C 00:05:32 No. Our life was absolute chaos . No need to get into all the details , but it's still chaos . Speaker B 00:05:44 It's just organized . Speaker C 00:05:45 It was really chaotic . And we lived in two separate realities . Honestly , in our own minds , we had two separate realities that we could not mesh together because of how we process the world and how we process information . And it was impossible . And after our breakthrough , things just started clicking . I understood her, she understood me, and we just started continuing to have more breakthroughs in understanding about ourselves and each other. Speaker B 00:06:15 And the program has really evolved over the last three years. When we first had it, I mean, it was so earth shattering to us then , but it has grown so much and we've had even more breakthroughs and more advanced things that help clarify what was going on and what we're doing , what the tools actually were doing at the time . But I didn't know. And a lot of this clarification didn't actually come until September of this last year when I had my own breakthrough because that's when my brain was able to clear up and my executive function started to work . And then I was like, oh, this is what we do. This is what's going on. Speaker A 00:06:48 You mean it's a never ending process ? Is that what you mean? Speaker C 00:06:53 I was really surprised . Speaker B 00:06:55 We kept wanting it to be done. Speaker C 00:06:57 I was like, oh, we're done, we're . Speaker B 00:06:59 Good, we're done, we're ready, let's watch . Speaker C 00:07:01 It's not done. Speaker B 00:07:04 It's never going to be done. Speaker A 00:07:06 I think you guys , I mean, I'd love to hear your opinion outlook on this , but for me, what I've seen is no matter , I'm married , I have two kids as well. And something that I've seen is like, once you start figuring it out , once you start figuring it out , all of a sudden you start realizing , like, oh, that uncovered something else that's been buried deep beneath it. I didn't even realize it was there for myself. Speaker B 00:07:27 Right, well, and what we really pride ourselves on is there's a lot of things out there , the things that are out there and the resources available that are out there for other people , what they really go after are all the leaves in the trees . It's like if you look at the tree, everyone's trying to tackle each leaf, and you're going to kill yourself if you have to try to tackle each leaf, because it can't go from a top down thing . It's got to go from the root and go out . And so what we realized was when we were able to in a breakthrough , what we discovered was something that was a root issue, that was at the core of who he was and was at the core of who I was. And when we're able to address that at the root , it was able to then branch out to all the leaves and the trees . And then it was able to just kind of have this ripple effect and affect everything else. So that was something that was really awesome. So even though we are uncovering more and more and more, it doesn't take away from our original discovery that was at the root . It's just we're discovering more root issues. Like for me, I know he's tapping me, telling me to stop talking . Speaker C 00:08 :26 That's a part of her hyper. Speaker A 00:08 :27 But as long as it's your communication system , it works . Speaker C 00:08 :33 He does . And that's another aspect of it, is the communication between us. We finally have some. Speaker B 00:08 :40 Yeah. I mean, it doesn't matter how good you can communicate . If one person is speaking Chinese and the other person is speaking like Spanish, it doesn't matter how great your communication skills are, you can suck at communicating . And if you both speak Chinese, then you can at least get your message across better than if one was speaking Chinese and one was speaking Spanish. And so that's kind of where we were at. And we both were crappy communicators to begin with before and speaking different languages . So it was really literally impossible anyway. It's true . Speaker A 00:09:08 Do you guys feel like your system of teaching people right ? Because you're both coaches , right ? Your whole framework is coaching . Do you feel like your framework is more of a hey, let's shake the tree type of a framework instead of just plucking the leaves off, to use that tree analogy ? Speaker B 00:09:23 No, it's more along the lines of we go in and we nourish the roots . Speaker A 00:09:27 Yeah, that's awesome. Speaker B 00:09:29 Yeah. So we go nourish the roots because we don't have to shake anything down , but it's going to alter them at their core. Speaker C 00:09:34 We nourish the roots and just the nature of the mind and the brain , it starts to take care of itself . Like if you nurse the roots , the whole tree gets taken care of. It is amazing because what it is. Speaker B 00:09:49 So many people and all the things out there , they're not to try to tackle the leaves. If we put it in the metaphor , they're trying to water the tree by watering each leaf. So that's the thing that actually kills the tree. Speaker A 00:10:01 You free water on it when it's hot outside , you're shriveling the leaves up. Speaker B 00:10:04 Exactly. And that's what a lot of them do. And what we realized was there was a lot of therapists and counselors and everything like that , that we had gone through , and a lot of the advice and the marriage that were given to Neurotypicals that we were trying to apply in our marriage were doing just that . They were killing the leaves in our trees because we were trying to apply them with the wrong framework . That wrong underlying framework . And so it was not applicable . The way I kind of explain it is it's like we were living in a giant world , but we were humans . And so they're handing us these tools , like, here you go, here's tools to use. This will fix your marriage . And they're like, dropping it on us, and we're like, what we can't do. It wasn't too much , and it was just too much . And so with this framework , though , it kind of allowed us to grow, to be a giant as well, a titan . Yeah. So we're able to kind of run with the other giants and be able to now pick up those tools with ease, because you can apply a lot of other tools once we have this framework of neuroscity unlock . Speaker C 00:11:03 A lot of our tools are founded on principles , and that's the wonderful part about it, is with therapists and therapists and experts and everything , they have had their role in doing things . Personally, I never made any progress with therapists . It's a rare human, unfortunately , and it's not anything about them . It's just the way the whole system has been created and developed and continued and perpetuated . Speaker A 00:11:34 Absolutely . Speaker C 00:11:35 It's the leaves and the trees , but a lot of the tools that we use are principle based , so everyone can apply them . And that was the difficult part about meeting with therapists , is they don't have necessarily principle based tools , or they don't have fundamental principles that tools . Speaker B 00:11:58 So ours are fundamental because we go down to the root , and so because of that , that's what makes it so anybody can use it. But we have tools that are actually specific to each brain type . And so that's where it really was, because nobody was giving him instructions with his brain that his brain needs to do this . And I'm like, but how do I do that ? Speaker C 00:12:18 Just do it. And I'm like, can you please explain to me how I'm supposed to do this ? I'm willing to. I just don't know how to. Speaker B 00:12:25 But he kind of had lacked the essential underlying wiring that would enable him to be able to do what they were asking him to do. Speaker A 00:12:32 Well, just something that I've noticed with that , because I don't know exactly your entire framework , I'm probably a pretty similar brain type to you. Sean, where I called it. Speaker B 00:12:47 I was like, he sounds like a man. Speaker A 00:12:51 I'm a how guy. I'm, like, willing to go lay down on a sword if you tell me to, if it's the right thing . I need to know how and why it's going to make a difference . Speaker B 00:12:59 Right. Because he didn't know the purpose . You just need to know the purpose . And that's the thing . He was walking around , looking around at everybody , and everyone was kind of just no one made sense. And he couldn't see the purpose and anything that anyone was doing or the purpose of why he should be doing what I was telling him to do. And the reason he couldn't find the purpose or see it was because he had no place to kind of process it in his brain . That area was kind of like they're neural bridges were out . So without having that connection to that area, he couldn't make that connection . And so it was just kind of a bunch of stuff just hanging around , cluttering his brain up with nowhere to go. So when I gave him a place to put this stuff and told him how this worked and was like, here's the overall framework and picture of what's happening . Do this , his brain was like, oh, got it. Okay, go along with that . Exactly. Of course , there's more details and things and everything that goes along with details , but yeah, that's kind of general . Speaker A 00:13:49 Let me ask you this . I've studied personalities for years. It's a passion point of mine. I really love the different personality types , brain types , different things . What is different about what you guys are teaching ? Because it sounds similar, but I'm hearing differences in there of what you're teaching . It sounds like you really picked up on some massive differences between personalities and brain types . Speaker B 00:14:08 Yes. So, I mean, I can tackle this one if you want . So brain types address the fact that you're speaking a different language altogether . So your brain type determines your brain language , what she means by that . Speaker C 00:14:24 So your brain language is how you process the entire world around you and. Speaker B 00:14:30 Then how you speak , and literally how you speak . So, for example , and it affects that . Yeah, he spoke literally and concretely in his words . So is very black and white . And he would say, it's just seven words . I can't get any simpler than that . And I would look at him, and whatever he would say would just hit my forehead and fall to the floor, because the way I process things was through body language and tone mostly . And so my brain is picking up on the body language and tone , and it did not align up with his words . And so for me, my brain mostly was picking up on body language and tone . So that was the way I spoke . And so he's sending signals he's not aware of because he's not even aware or paying attention to his body language and tone because he's only looking and thinking about words . And so he's like, I can't get any simpler. Words are concrete . They have meaning . There's nothing else that you can add or take away from them . And I chose the very specific words for a reason, and that's it. And you are adding things to them . Something invisible you're adding to. And I didn't do that , so you need to stop . And we would get in these things where that's where it was, but it was this kind of invisible , like, nobody would know unless they were born with both brains , because you wouldn't know that that was the way he was only absorbing it. My brain just ignored it completely . He just said, I can't think for you one time he told me, I can't think for you. Speaker C 00:15:46 I would say that often . Speaker B 00:15:47 Yeah, all the time . And I just thought , there's no way he's thinking that I'm really not thinking . So he's just saying that metaphorically to tell me I'm an idiot . But he actually meant it very literally because he thought I wasn't thinking . Because for him, thinking required a lot of processes that he had to kind of manually go through and like, to come to a decision and everything . It had to be very methodical . And so when he saw that I was just , like, flipping and going like this and this and very quick yeah. He thought I was no way. Speaker C 00:16:16 You thought ? Speaker B 00:16:17 Yeah, he thought I wasn't thinking . Speaker A 00:16:19 You were just out there shooting , right ? What are they saying? Shooting . Instead of aiming , you were just ready, shoot , aim, or whatever . Speaker B 00:16:24 Exactly. So he's thinking that I was literally not thinking , but I was extremely fast in that area. And so he's saying, I need you to think . I can't think for you. My job of thinking for myself is enough , so I can't do it for you. He was literally pleading and begging with me. I need you to actually use your brain in our relationship . I can't do it for you. And so I'm thinking , man, you are the biggest jerk. There's no way for me to comprehend what he had just said until she. Speaker C 00:16:50 Found me in a bungle in the hallway trying to solve me like a baby one day. Speaker B 00:16:54 Yes, well, I mean, in the middle of an argument , that's a real problem . Yes, well, and that's a thing because he would say all these things , and then that type of behavior would happen where he was just , like, crumbling . Like, there's this very real danger that I can't see around him. And I'm just like, that's what I knew in my head he wasn't wrong . And I was like, okay, he's not wrong , but I'm not wrong . But I don't know how to reconcile those two truths . Speaker A 00:17:22 I think most people in any relationship , whether business or personal , I think you get to that point if it's something you want to keep together , you get to that point and you're like, okay, neither one of us is wrong here. Speaker B 00:17:32 Right? Speaker A 00:17:32 But neither one of us is right either, right ? Speaker B 00:17:35 Well, in actuality , the analogy we came up with that we explained to people is that it's like watching a car accident at a four way stop . So life is like a car accident at that four way stop , right ? And I'm thinking , he's in the car next to me watching the car accident happening . And so I'm thinking , how on earth could you see what I did? You're a liar. You're a total liar. Right? But in actuality , she's in a car on the other side of that car accident . And what he's seeing is absolutely true from his perspective , just like what I'm seeing is absolutely true from the perspective . Speaker C 00:18:07 That was why we would both go to our grave, fall on a sword . Speaker B 00:18:11 Exactly. Speaker C 00:18:12 My truth is my truth . I know it. Speaker B 00:18:15 And we were both so sorry . Speaker A 00:18:17 And I came to it the way that I came to it, and I know I'm not wrong . Speaker B 00:18:21 Well, you can't deny your lived experience , because your lived experience is the most perfect form of truth for you. Speaker C 00:18:27 We were literally both gasolating each other for years. Speaker B 00:18:30 Yeah, I thought he was a narcissist . Speaker C 00:18:34 Your reality , the sky is red. Speaker B 00:18:38 He thought I was a narcissist . I thought he was a narcissist . But on our breakthrough , it was like we were able to get that bird's eye view camera shot of the car accident and see, wait a minute . You weren't wrong . I wasn't wrong . We were both just missing key information to make the whole thing make sense. And so that's what we do with couples and what we teach them and help them with and understanding . And then we also have the whole science to back everything up now. So that just was very on top . Speaker C 00:19:05 So powerful about it all. I don't know if we get into it later, but just real quick is imagery and very fundamental principles , and the two of those combined is very powerful . Speaker A 00:19:20 What do you guys do when you bring someone into your world ? Because that is a pretty chaotic thing to hop into , right ? Trying to help someone who's in a state of crisis . I guess maybe that's not the exact way. Speaker B 00:19:32 No, actually it's perfect . Hold on, I'm going to say something real quick , and then you go ahead. Okay. Sorry. Speaker A 00:19:37 We'll have two separate interviews . Speaker B 00:19:39 We will. So essentially , everyone comes to us and they are in massive crisis . Everyone's in crisis , everyone's coming and they're hemorrhaged . And the thing is, their partner is hemorrhaging . They're hemorrhaging . And so nobody comes to us feeling good . Nobody comes to us feeling good about their relationship . Like, oh, hey, everything is fine . No, everything is like literally defcon one. It's like horrible . And so I know I did it right . I know. Okay. Speaker C 00:20:03 She used to say def called Five. I'm like that's . Peace time . Speaker B 00:20:06 Well, that's also it's because there was a movie that I watched , tuttle was a Guy in Ten Days. And she uses it, and she uses it wrong . Anyway, three weeks ago again, I love it. It's a great one. But yeah, people come to us, they're in distress , and what we do is we give them the tools to help stabilize themselves . So it's like you can't help somebody else when you're drowning yourself . So we get them with their life best on, and we help them so that they can then help their partner . So we give them the tools to help themselves to stop the bleeding and to get them in a good , healthy , stable place . And then in that process , it actually starts to rub off on their partner . And so their partner is not going to be receptive to the tools when they first come because their relationship is so toxic and disgusting and horrible . Speaker A 00:20:50 Absolutely . Speaker B 00:20:51 In a very serious , not really light hearted way, it's horrible and toxic . Our relationship was just disgusting and horrible . It was not good . And so they come to us, usually in that kind of form . And so when one person starts to heal themselves and then in the process they're learning about their partner , it allows their partner to be relieved and start to come up for air. And then we are able to get them into a stabilized place and then give them their tools . And then once they both have tools , then they're able to kind of move forward and get to a really healthy type of relationship . So that's what we do. Go ahead. Sorry. Speaker A 00:21:22 Yeah, go ahead. Sean, you had something you want to add there ? Go for it. Speaker B 00:21:25 Yeah, you were going to take the question . Speaker C 00:21:28 Everybody is unique , and that's why somewhat complicated for each individual , even with the fundamental principles you're dealing with a person's past , you're dealing with certain vocabulary that they use on a daily basis, certain vocabulary that they don't even have access to, that they just don't use. The uniqueness of every individual makes it somewhat complicated to find out niche areas to break into their brain processes . The fundamentals are still there , and they're true , but it's finding the right language . Speaker B 00:22:05 And the terminology that speaks to them . Speaker C 00:22:08 Speaks to them as an individual . And that's what makes coaching so powerful , is I guess I'm just going to say it therapists and psychiatrists , they're bound by laws and there's a lot of regulations , and they are very tightly regulated . With coaches , we have a lot more. Speaker A 00:22:29 Rope, and so it allows enormous amounts of rope. Speaker C 00:22:34 Yeah, literally . But it allows us to be human with people , and that's what people latch onto . And they're like, okay, you're real, you understand . Speaker B 00:22:46 So what we do, too, when somebody comes to us, the difference between us and like a therapist is like, when somebody goes to a therapist , they sit and they tell them all their problems , and they're expecting the therapist to be able to tell them , okay, this is what's wrong with you. This is what you should be doing , and blah, blah, blah, blah. But a lot of times they go there and they say all this stuff , and then they just keep talking about all the problems and talking about the problems , and it's almost like they're expected to know what's wrong with them , to be able to tell the therapist what's wrong . Speaker A 00:23:17 Absolutely . Speaker B 00:23:18 In order for the therapist to be able to help them from our very passionate belief , we believe that as the person helping , you need to understand the characteristics and the symptoms of what's going on, on the surface to know where they are in their brain . So what we call it we call it brainscaping . So basically , it's like we have a landscape of their brain , and from describing , from where they are able to like, how they're acting , their behavior, their mentality , all that stuff , we can determine where they're living . We can pinpoint where they are in their brain and say, look , you are here. Here's your brain . You're at this spot . You're right here. Speaker C 00:23:58 Getting them to see where they are is the hardest . Speaker B 00:24:00 Right? But the thing is right , well, I wouldn't say getting them to see where they are is a hard point . They know where they are, but it's about them believing , about getting out . So it's almost like they have to trust us. It's like they're lost in the middle of this deserted place , and they have no idea where they are. And they call us, and they're , like, trying to describe the landscape . And I go, oh, I know that . Yes, the place that has the gnome in the window across the street , and it's got a little bit of fuzzy blah blah over there . And they're like, oh, yeah, that's it. That's the place . And I was like, okay, I know. Now if you go out this door and you take a left and you go for three months miles, you're actually home. You're going to be fine. They had no idea where they were, but they have to trust and believe that I know where they are. So that's what we do when we describe what they are feeling and we describe where the experience that they're experiencing , and they're like, yes, that's exactly it. That's exactly what's going on. That's where I am. We're able to tell them and repeat to them and say, okay, now they believe that I know where they are, and then they can then trust me when I give them directions out of it. That is where what we do. Yeah, we get people where they are. Speaker C 00:25:12 And the thing is, we know where they are because we were there , right ? That's what gives people the confidence in us, is they can see it in our relationship . They can hear it in our words and our word choice that we know what we're talking about because we explain perfectly what they're experiencing . Speaker B 00:25:31 Yeah, now your brain . So essentially , when people come to us, they're kind of living in the part of their brain where it's only fight or flight . It's like their amygdala is lying to them . It's telling them that's all they've got . So they're looking around at their surroundings , and they're like, I'm living in this big, vast cavern , and I don't see what you're talking about . Where where I'm supposed to go and there's this and that , and I don't know. And then I get to this describe , okay, this is what it looks like. I'm telling you, this is where you are. And then I get to show them and kind of give them a big comparison and directions on how. To get out . And so then once they see how to get out , they walk out . And it's kind of a really simple process when you're able to give them the correct imagery to help them walk out . And we call it neural engineering . So it's not really coaching what we do. Speaker C 00:26:10 We use coaching because it's a layman term and it's something people are very familiar with . But to be honest , it is a lot more depth and a lot more power. Speaker B 00:26:18 And neural engineering is not in any kind of scientific sense or any used how it's used anywhere else. We're not talking about that . Speaker C 00:26:27 We're talking about specifically your own social networks by changing your thinking . Speaker B 00:26:33 Well, you do and essentially neurons that fire together wire together and essentially we found the science behind it and it's cell danger response . And there are whole entire regions of the brain that have determined something was a threat , so they shut it off. And so it's like they closed all the roads to this neural network so it can't get access . And so when it's all closed up, the brain is thinking it only has these options , this or that , black and white . And because of that sorry, not to. Speaker A 00:27:00 Interrupt , but is that why some people perceive ADHD or that they have ADHD even if they don't truly ? Speaker B 00:27:05 Yes, that's why it's so difficult also. Speaker C 00:27:07 About going to psychologists and psychiatrists . Speaker B 00:27:10 I didn't think I was black and white , but I was. Speaker C 00:27:13 It all comes down to cell danger response . It is a very primitive mechanism for every cell to protect itself and to keep it from harming other cells around it. Yeah, thing is, it happens in various parts of the brain don't even try to pin it down . We say, hey, look , your mind and your brain is physically in danger right now. There's science to back it. You have toxic glutamate levels. And right now the cells and mind , it doesn't matter . We don't even use labels . The only reason why we don't use the world label is because it's short for manual processor and hyper is short for a hyper processor . Speaker B 00:27:57 Well, yeah, we'll get into that later because we ditched the world's labels of things because really it all just weaponized . Speaker C 00:28:03 Matter of fact , they were weaponized . Yes, they were weaponized against me and. Speaker B 00:28:07 I didn't lean unintentionally . Speaker C 00:28:10 But the damage , it was irrelevant . Speaker B 00:28:14 Well, it naturally occurs when somebody gets a diagnosis and there's problems that exist in the relationship . It's only natural then when the problems arise and you can't resolve them , you go, well, you need to change because you're the one who has asperger's . At the time it was called asperger's . And so I was like, obviously you're the one that's wrong here. And he was like, oh no, I'm not , I know I'm not wrong . And so then it was him against the world because by deductive reasoning , he knew his reality was real. So everyone else had to be crazy then that was the only two choices . And so, yeah, it was horrible , and I unintentionally weaponized it, but only because I just wanted to resolve the issue. So I just thought , well, naturally , you're the one with the problem , so you need to change . Speaker A 00:28:55 It wasn't looking in a blaming state . It was looking at saying, hey, I know what's wrong with you, even though that's not the way that it needs to be put , because it makes that person feel like there's something wrong with them . Speaker B 00:29:05 Exactly. And because of neurodiversity , there's actually nothing wrong with the actual person , and there isn't anything wrong . What happens is everyone has a very specific way that they respond to cell danger response . Everyone does it because everyone will respond . Our brains , our bodies , our cells are all set up to respond in the same exact way. So if cell danger response is happening in your prefrontal cortex where your executive function is, it's going to break your executive function and you're not going to be able to function . And so that's what's going to come out on the surface . So if that's happening in me and. Speaker C 00:29:38 Say that's what happens with hypers , their executive function , part of their brain right , is a cell danger response . And it stopped . Speaker B 00:29:46 Yes. In danger. So for me, basically , all the areas that were kind of allowing me to use my executive function , it was like all the roads were out around this neural network , right . So my brain kept trying to send signals to this area, and it wasn't working . So anytime I tried to use that area of my brain , it was almost like I was trying to use hand crank a blender on my counter . Right. So it's like, how productive are you going to be when you have to hand crank a blender and how much energy goes into hand cranking a blender ? Right. The whole world was giving me answers and tools that would just help me manage my hand hand cranking better . But what we do is we go, no, you don't have to hand crank . All you got to do is plug it in. Here you go, book . Speaker A 00:30:32 Let me show you how to use the tool you've actually got . Speaker B 00:30:34 Exactly. Let me tell you how to use it. So what we do is we call it neural bridging , because in essence , we're building a neural bridge to this area, this neural network that was previously offline , like a deserted mall in the midwest or whatever , that just people walked away from it's there . We just have to plug it in. So we plug it in for them , and we let their brain take over itself . So then it just starts to do it, right ? Speaker C 00:30:58 It can take care of itself . It can maintain itself , it can teach itself , it can heal itself . It's a very independent organ. Speaker B 00:31:06 Yeah. And so that's what we do. We teach them how to use we teach them how to plug their blender in so that it can actually just do the job that's intended to do. It's so much easier than trying to cope with hand cranking it, which is so extremely hard and impossible . And with him, it creates well, when we think too hard, actually , anytime we have to think too hard, it creates toxic amounts of glutamate , which then creates a glutamate excitotoxicity , did they say? And what that does is there's no way to escape that except for when the glial cells clear it out . So you have to sleep and whatever , that clears it out . It's kind of like there's no way to avoid that if you're thinking too much and your brain will tell you, stop doing what you're doing . Don't do that because you're entering dangerous levels where it's going to kill your brain cells . But he lived in a world where everything was making him think too much . He was manually processing , so he was creating these toxic levels anytime he had to interact with anybody and do anything . And so it was creating this horrible cycle of creating toxic amounts and killing it. And that's what was triggering CDR and doing that over and over and over again. So when he was able to automate that part of his brain , then it was no longer creating an excess of glutamate and he was able to automate , so he wasn't manually processing . And that sped up his brain . So it saved him the mental energy that he was using , but it also began to harvest more mental energy for him. And then he wasn't having these toxic levels of glutamate , so he was able to just kind of just enjoy life for the first time . Speaker C 00:32:37 Yeah. Before we move on, I want to point out that a vast portion of society actually is dealing with these toxic glutamate levels. Because the thing is, thinking actually stimulates the production of glutamate . And when you start thinking too much and you overthink and like, literally . Speaker B 00:33:02 Something that's important is that overthinking is not what people think is overthinking . For a manual processor , you were never overthinking . You were just manually processing because you didn't have the automatic function for yourself in that area. Speaker C 00:33:13 Correct . Speaker B 00:33:14 Now, it didn't affect other areas. He's a genius in other areas. And that was one of the things that made me so confused about it. I was like, how could you be such a genius here and such a not genius here? Speaker A 00:33:24 It's like you're talking about me every time you talk about him. Speaker B 00:33:27 I know. Speaker C 00:33:28 Well, that's the thing , is there are a lot of commonalities with hypers and mannies and men and women . It's just with hypers and mannies , it's enunciating a lot more. Speaker B 00:33:39 It's like to the max. Speaker A 00:33:40 It's like it's like the strong characteristic that's there . Speaker B 00:33:43 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I would say men are naturally have more manual processing tendencies , everyone's more logical and everything like that . But then like a manual processor is going to be like this is how they operate from , this is where they cannot stray from this framework and understanding . And if it's not in their language , they're not going to be able to understand it. And the thing is though , he was just so amazing and adept in so many areas and he was such a people person and everything like that on his own terms . And that's what it boiled down to. It boiled down to what made sense and what didn't make sense. And it was kind of like he was living with like kind of two boxes at the core. And if it didn't make sense to him personally , which people could make sense to him, he will love hearing people's stories . He loved talking to people very but if it wasn't under his terms and everything , he wasn't able to process that and then he couldn't move forward and it would break his brain . Sorry. I know I totally cut you off. So go ahead. Speaker A 00:34 :37 So I'll let you finish your show. I want you guys if you can. Yeah, go ahead. So we're a podcasting company . That's what we do. We help people build their podcast , market produce and whatever . So one bit that I feel like it's missed a lot with podcasts in general and I'm going to ask you this question is where does someone start ? Right? If someone's listening to this , no podcast . Someone's listening to this and they're like, okay, all this information here, what do I do next? Speaker B 00:35:04 Okay, so I mean, I could answer that . I know I'm talking a lot . I'm so sorry . Speaker C 00:35:09 I love you. Speaker B 00:35:11 Well, to answer that is heading over to our either Facebook or Mighty networks and get started . We have a free program that we give out to everybody and the structure of it really is getting going on, learning about yourself . We go through different , we focus on getting people for taking care of themselves . So it's starting with self awareness. So they begin to learn about themselves , why they are acting the way they do and what's going on, what's really happening . And then the next phase is then being able to introduce it to their partner after they've learned themselves and they've got , we call it their breakthrough and had their own breakthrough . And then after that their partner gets information . Their partner can then go on if it's not a seamless kind of transition where their partner is because it should kind of be a natural thing . As the natural flow of them worry about themselves , them changing , the partner naturally becomes more receptive and begins to get curious like what's going on? Why is my person all of a sudden doing everything that I've always wanted them to be doing ? Giving me time to think , not thinking , I'm saying the wrong thing , not misinterpreting what I'm saying. And so it gets them a little bit curious and then they learn about it. But if it's not kind of a smooth transition and hand off in that department , that's where people would need to come to us so we can help them get kind of a customized . Speaker C 00:36:32 We have created some questionnaires that allows people to be able to, first off, determine what kind of brain processing that you do right . Speaker B 00:36:41 And that's part of the self awareness. Speaker C 00:36:43 Whether you're a hyper, whether you're an automatic or an auto or a Delta. Speaker A 00:36:47 That'Ll get you headed in the right direction . Speaker C 00:36:50 First, find out how it is that you process the world around and then . Speaker B 00:36:53 From there learning how your partner process . Speaker C 00:36:57 They developed a program and library , if you would , oriented toward every brain processing type that allows them to see, oh, this is where I'm struggling . This is the cause of my struggle , and this is what I can do to lessen my struggle . Speaker B 00:37:16 Now, something that's really crucial and that we really want to hone in for people is that we actually just launched a product called the Pod Support System . Now, I'll explain what that means because I think it's kind of unique . I've never seen it this way, done this way before . So separate from the group , the big group , that where everyone can people can post and people can support and kind of a group , classic group , right ? What we've been able to come up with is these close , tight knit , knit communities . Yes. So for example , we call them peer to peer support pods . And then we also have an inner circle support pod . So in our peer to peer support pod , we have a pod leader and we have two pod assistants , a junior and a senior. And what they're there for is they kind of oversee the pod . And there's 20 members in there . And these are all people that are intentional . They want to learn about it. It's right now only $50 a month , 49 99 to join this . And what it is, is it's a tribe . I know for me, when we were lost and confused , I had nobody . I had nobody that would understand me. And even though the world would agree with what I had to say, I didn't want them to vilify him. And everyone would do that . Everyone would always just vilify him because he was the bad guy. He was a villain . He looks just like and he wasn't because he was just doing his best . And that's the thing . Anyone who has cell danger response in their brain , they're just reacting the instinctual way anyone would . And so he was just managing it as best he could with his survival instincts . And it looked like he was just a jerk, a narcissist , whatever , all those horrible things . And so anytime I got support , the type of support that people would give me was, oh, just leave him. Oh, he's a jerk. You deserve better and whatever . And family, friends , nobody understood , nobody understands neuro diverse relationships . But people especially , this is a very new concept we're teaching them . And so people can't get that type of support from anywhere . It's too much mental energy to explain to your family members , to your friend group , to whatever that , okay, here's the whole scenario . This is what it's like. I want your support to help me understand his behaviors , not just to tell me to leave him. So with these hot support , it's like basically like joining a tribe that completely understands you, that roots for your relationship , and they're going to help you understand the roots of the behaviors . Like everyone is trying to figure that out for themselves and they support each other. And so it's a really positive yes, sweetheart , hold on 1 second . It's a really positive environment where we're able to they get to support each other, the pod and the pod leader and the assistants . They're there to make sure that the information stays correct and that the materials are kosher with BTG materials , bridging the gap materials . And so people can then feel safe knowing , like, okay, at least it's good , right ? And then if there's something incorrect , the pod leader can then correct it or whatever . But it's not coaching . Coaching doesn't happen in there . It's not something where it's like they're entitled to any kind of attention from the pod leader or whatever . And then the next tier of it, I guess you could say, is the inner circle . And that is where there's ten people . It's limited seats, and each person gets 1 hour a month of their own personalized neural engineering , pretty much . And so they get to schedule that with their pod leader and the pod assistant . So it's a three on one. And they get to then get coached and they share their recording into the group . So then the rest of the nine. Speaker A 00:40 :42 People get that's awesome. Speaker B 00:40 :44 Right? They get to absorb and benefit from that . So it's almost like 10 hours of coaching for the price of one. So it's a really, really, really unique system and we're , we're just launching it so things are people can enroll now, but that's that's put a link in. Speaker A 00:40 :59 The show notes , right ? Speaker B 00:41:00 Like always, we'll put a link there . So if you want a place where people understand you and understand your loved one and aren't going to be bashing them or telling you to leave or whatever and everyone is all on the same page. We got the free materials , the materials we want to make. Speaker C 00:41:17 I wanted to hit on that . So this is case in point , a hyper processing brain . It's very detail oriented . Well, it's how things work , kind of. And I'm Manny, so I'm going to give it in a very more simplified manner. Speaker B 00:41:36 Right, you're going to help stress . Speaker C 00:41:38 Yes, exactly . The executive function that I have, mine. Speaker B 00:41:42 Has been so much better . It has. Speaker C 00:41:43 It absolutely has. So what we did, we created a system because we knew what we had was, for lack of better words , gold . It honestly needed to get out to the public and they needed to get out as far as possible and as quickly as possible . And best way that we found to do that is to A, always offer the materials for free so that people could go at their own pace. And if they don't have a lot of money, that's fine, the material is free for you. Then we also have the peer to peer pods . And again, at least it says 49 99. Speaker B 00:42:19 That's right . Now, special pricing . Speaker A 00:42:23 Build up tomorrow . Speaker B 00:42:24 Right? Go sell tomorrow . Speaker C 00:42:26 That gives access to that cohort group . Speaker B 00:42:28 It also gives you access to the Mighty Networks group too, which right now it's going to be about $10 a month right now. But as we add features , it's going to go up. We're going to have lives and all. Speaker C 00:42:38 Sorts of things and courses , tiered levels of support . And we wanted to make it accessible for anybody and everybody that wants it. Speaker A 00:42:47 It sounds like you've made it. So no matter how in or out somebody is, they can choose where how in they are. Speaker B 00:42:53 Yeah, exactly . And we want to get it out to the world . We really want to reach like a billion people . I mean, we really want to get it out there . And so we're planning for the long term , we could have made it more I've scaled that . Yeah, well and we could have made it more exclusive . Like you only can get this if you buy this or that or whatever . But what we realize and what I've been working really hard to do is I want to make it so like 80 % of the people that we reach can do it on their own and get their breakthroughs and change their life like we did. Right? We didn't have anybody holding our hand. We didn't have everybody telling us, hey, it's going to work . Don't you worry , it's going to be fine . We didn't have anybody trying to explain the concepts to us in the process . We clung to it like it was life or death . That's what we did and that's what we got . And if people can do that , that's great . Because even if it was, even if it's 1000 people , right ? I mean, our group is at 1000 right now, but let's say 1000 people , 800 are able to get it on their own. That still leaves 200 people that need help. We can't help 200 people on our own. And we know that too big for us. It is. And the thing is it's changing and rewiring your brain . It's really resetting and changing your whole entire paradigm . And because of that , that takes a lot of handholding . And that's not realistic for anybody to be able to do. It's not realistic to be able to do that coaching , especially as coaches , people can't afford to handhold for $250 an hour. They just can't do that . It's just not college . Speaker C 00:44 :20 Offer 24/7 access to 19 other people and three leaders that can help you understand or get the leaders are there . Speaker B 00:44 :31 To ensure that it's accurate information and stuff like that . But it goes through a whole process where you come and you enter the pods . You don't know anything . You're a newbie and then you're getting support . And as you're growing , you're then putting back into the whole pod system yourself by giving support to others . And by the time you reach the top , you're kind of more experienced . You're an experienced peer mentor . And if you want the way it's designed because we know this is going to get huge. We know it's going to go and explode . And we know it's going to get to a point where we can't just manage all the pods ourselves . Speaker A 00:45:04 The biggest bottleneck of being a coach is that you're a coach . Speaker B 00:45:07 Exactly. Or a coach , you guys . Right? Speaker C 00:45:11 That's what we wanted to break through is that bottleneck . Speaker B 00:45:13 And so what we've been able to do is we designed it so that people can then join in too. Because it kind of has like 50,000 purposes . They're changing for themselves , they're changing for the relationship . They're getting their own breakthrough . And then on top of that , then they have an option to be like, okay, well, the more I keep this at the forefront of my mind , the more I'm changing , the better my relationship is and everything like that . They're already doing that . So why not become a pod assistant ? Okay, great . So that is more for them to do. Now, the way we have it set up is we're not like a typical other company where they charge $8,000 to train , to become coach . Speaker C 00:45:50 Coach. Speaker B 00:45:50 Right. We knew that it was going to take a ton of handholding and a ton of teaching for people to learn how to be a coach . And so I thought , well, how heck are we going to do this ? But before we learned about the pod system , before we came up with interesting . Speaker C 00:46 :01 Because as people are getting help in bettering themselves and also bettering their relationship , they're actually becoming trained with the same material to help someone else. Speaker B 00:46 :11 Exactly. The way we have it designed a double edged sword . Speaker C 00:46 :15 It is so beautiful . Speaker B 00:46 :16 Yes. The way we have it designed is it's really, really it's actually ingrained all the roles between peer to peer pods and the inner circle pods . Everything is a stepping stone in order to be trained to become your own Independent Neural Engineer. So as a peer to peer member, that is preparing you to become , if you would choose , if you want to enter the process as an assistant . And as an assistant , you don't have to pay anything to be an assistant to start getting trained . All you have to do is invest your time like, what is it? Apprenticeship style , right ? You become kind of like an apprenticeship . And the first stage is you're able to spot differences . You don't have to correct the difference . You just have to be able to know. Okay, that's not BTG. Correct . And then you report it to your pod leader, who then should be at the level of being able to then correct the information . So the pod leader, that stage is for mastering the art of being able to correct the wrong information . And then once they've helped four people themselves get their own pots , they are then qualified to become an assistant in the inner circle . So then they get to sit in, and if two heads are better than one, three heads are better than one. So what we do is we have one person . It's kind of like you're coaching with training wheels . It's one on one. But you also have two assistants . So between the three people , you're always going to have somebody who's going to know and be familiar with the BTG materials to be able to teach this client and give them the support that they need. So it's going to be accurate . And so again, as an assistant in the inner circle , you're not getting anything . But as a pod leader, for example , even in the peer to peer, they're going to be able to get a percentage of the commissions of the members , like pricing . So they're going to be able to start making money in a training position . Likewise , as an inner circle pod leader, they will also be getting a percentage as well of the commissions of the people in the group . Speaker C 00:48 :07 We really so prayerful about how we wanted to develop this . And we were very intentional in our fundamental goal to get it out to as many people as we can. And that led to the development of the system that we have. And to be honest , it is a system that is meant to be perpetuated and independent . What's the right word for it? Yeah, it's perpetuated . Like self perpetuated . Yeah, it's almost based on that pay it forward principle . And everybody just keeps paying it forward to the person in front of them and the people behind them . Speaker B 00:48 :45 Well, and the thing is, what we learned was that we could write up all the material and all the stuff in the world , and we're going to have stuff about certain things , about just a process of how to help somebody . This is what you do. You address this person , then this or whatever . But what we realized was people needed time and experience with other people and their stories in order to master the concept . So it wasn't like it was if somebody went through they could blast through a training program in like a month . But it wouldn't prepare them to be a coach . No, it wouldn't . What they need is the time and the experience and before having the Pod system , we were going to have to provide the time and experience and that was going to be insanely expensive . And I was like, we were going to be able to offer that to people and then who would be able to afford to do that ? It's like, oh my gosh . And if we didn't create people that could go out and be under us and do that , we were going to be stuck doing it forever ourselves . And so for us, this was such a perfect answer and we see it really going to explode and be really positive for people because I mean, let. Speaker A 00:49 :46 Me jump in here on this with you. I want to just make sure everyone's paying attention to this . That's listening is oftentimes as a coach , you get stuck , it's hard to get clients , don't get me wrong in the beginning , it's hard to get clients to get things moving along. But once you get moving , you start getting to the point of realizing , oh shoot , right ? You have that realization . Speaker B 00:50:06 There's only so much of me and there's only so much of that . We're going to eventually move into scaling and offering some sort of course thing and everything like that . But we know that there's a huge amount of people that aren't going to be able to afford any kind of big ticket courses that they'll be able to. I mean, we're going to have that side for that type of person who. Speaker C 00:50:32 Needs that is actually oriented towards a cheaper price for people to still get help because that's a massive problem . So many people need help and can't afford it, right ? Speaker B 00:50:44 They just can't , they can't afford the support that they actually need. And here's the deal. We are all about a grassroots network . We are laying like it's like the Ivy. We want it to just spread far and wide . We're not all about just going building straight up. We want to spread out everywhere . And that is what we're doing here with the Pod systems is that when we get to do that , we are going to be able to just spread it out as far as we can and get everybody in all our tentacles everywhere , I guess you could say. But that's what we want to do because we want to reach everyone . I know that for us we wouldn't have been able to afford expensive coaching . Well, it's not that it's expensive because it is definitely worth what it is. Speaker A 00:51:29 Worth it, but making the justifications really hard, right ? Speaker B 00:51:32 It's worth it. But some people literally just don't have that money. And, and we're , we understand that . Speaker C 00:51:38 We get into some of the details about some of the things that I guess we've accomplished in working with . But we've taken some people that were at the end of the rope, literally at the end of the rope ending . Speaker B 00:51:53 About to end their lives. Speaker C 00:51:56 And they didn't have financial resources to. Help themselves . They didn't have the knowledge or library of any kind to help themselves . That's why we're doing it, because we both have been at the end of a rope, right ? I've been there multiple times , and that's what keeps me coming back to no. This needs to be accessible to the. Speaker B 00:52:22 Whole well, and another thing , I do want to make mention of this , because honestly , if I didn't , I would feel like a liar. But these tools that we were able to develop , it wasn't something I could have just come up with . It was really a moment where we felt it was inspired by God. I know it was. Speaker C 00:52:39 We have to give credit . Speaker B 00:52:40 We have to give credit where credit was due. Speaker C 00:52:42 They were only so capable . Speaker B 00:52:43 Yeah, I know. People will be like, oh, no, you did it. Don't discount yourself . And I'm like, okay, yes, I might have been a vessel, and I might have prepared myself with the knowledge that I had and everything so I could put all these pieces together when the time came. But the tools themselves , the moment it happened , when I was giving him the criteria that he needed , quote criteria , because he needed a very specific set of concrete criteria to be able to sort and process his world , it was as if God kind of took my brain and he stretched my thought process out like an accordion . He said, this is what you do automatically every day. And I was like, you're kidding . I was like, no way. He's like, yeah, these are the steps that he needs . And I was like, really? And it was just kind of like this little kind of time froze . And I had this little conversation with God almost , and he was like, okay, say this , this , and this . And I did, and he was like, oh, okay. And he finally had the actual , literal , concrete steps to understand what he was supposed to do, because that part in his brain had not been working . It wasn't automatic . He had been spending all this time trying to manually figure it out , and. Speaker C 00:53:48 It was horrible is another way of saying consciously a lot of conscious effort to figure out how to process my life, right ? Speaker B 00:53:57 Well, okay, so researchers say that 95% of our brain is subconscious , and we're only 5% conscious . So it's like we have 70,000 thoughts a day, but if 95% of them are subconscious , like, that frees up our mind a lot , so that's wonderful . But for him, 90 to like, 95% of his world didn't make sense. And if it doesn't make sense, that's where he's manually processing . And so for him, it was like 90 % to 95% was consciously operating . So he was literally everything was flipped . So it makes sense that he was living in an opposite world of me, because it was completely opposite when it came to processing . And for me, when it came to my executive function , it was flipped when it came there , because he looked at me, and he saw me as a. Speaker C 00:54:40 Human that had executive function and worked very well. Speaker B 00:54:43 He would look at me well, he would look at me and say, you look like a normal adult that should be able to function . Why are you not ? It was like, almost like he's looking at me like I'm a bird hopping around the floor. Speaker C 00:54:54 For me. I was like, we have four boys in a business . I need you to be able to think I can't do all of this executive thing for a whole family. Speaker B 00:55:05 Well, and I was thinking I didn't realize how I wasn't realizing also at the time , I didn't think anything was wrong with me, but it was like he was looking at me like I was a bird hopping around on the floor. And he's like, Why aren't you using your wings ? And I was like, what are you talking about ? I am using my wings . But really, I was actually a penguin , and I wasn't kidding . He thought I should have been able to fly, but I didn't have my executive function at the time . So it's like, I'm like, what are you talking about ? I am doing what I'm supposed to do. And he's like, Why won't you fly ? And I'm like, what are you talking about ? I am flying . Aren't you know? Speaker C 00:55:37 It was a very nice way. Speaker B 00:55:41 How it would go. Speaker A 00:55:42 Yeah. The conversation is edited for the format . Speaker B 00:55:47 You have to make it g. Speaker A 00:55:53 We probably have to wrap this up here. I am, like, pumped . I want to have you guys back on, honestly , one time , because I feel like there's so much more. Yeah, I mean, of course there's ten. That's why they go to you, right ? Speaker C 00:56:03 We won't have you on and give. Speaker A 00:56:04 The whole course away. Yeah, but I hope everybody takes away what I'm taking away is that the whole reason you go looking for a coach is because other avenues haven't worked . Right. Like I said, you're at the end of the rope, whether literally or just feeling that way, which is literally either way. Speaker B 00:56:24 Yeah. Speaker A 00:56:25 But you're at the end of the rope. And I just hope that everyone understands it. Like, this is where people like you guys come into play in our world . We work with a lot of coaches , and it's the same conversation we have. Like, guys , if you're there , it's time to look for somebody who knows what they're talking about . Out. And I know a lot of people have a hard time finding them , but that's why we let people like you guys on our show, so they can find you, because it's hard. It's hard to find . And I think the thing that you guys have and you know this because you've been talking about and you love it and the passion comes out is you have a community to support that that's not just this ginormous hoard of people . It's like, that's great , that's needed . But we have these small individualized pods that are for you to make sure you're still getting that custom care that you need instead of being held up by a ginormous community . Well, guys , we'll get you back on. I'm pumped . Do you have any last bombs to drop on everyone ? Like, good value bombs or should we call it a day? Speaker C 00:57:19 We don't . Speaker B 00:57:20 No. We'll leave you wanting more. So come check us out on my network . Yeah, for sure. Speaker A 00:57:28 Absolutely . We'll put all of you guys'links and stuff in the note . Funny statistic for everyone listening to you guys is podcast listenership drops off at 93 %, so they don't even hear the last couple of seconds that you say. So we put it all in the notes at the end. Speaker B 00:57:43 Awesome. Thank you so much . Thanks for having us. We really appreciate it. Speaker A 00:57:47 Absolutely . Thanks for coming on, guys . Speaker B 00:57:49 Yes, thank you.

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Alicia & Sean Ford


"Alicia Ford is a wife, mother, and advocate for neurodiversity. She has been married to her husband Sean for 17 years and together they have four neurodiverse sons. Through their own journey of overcoming the challenges of a neurodiverse relationship, they had a breakthrough three years ago and started the Bridging the Gap Program more formally in the last year.

Their mission is to help people who are neurodiverse or in neurodiverse relationships understand their ""Brain Type"" and ""Brain Language"" and give them the specific tools to make new neural connections through technique they refer to as ""neural bridging."" They have a community on Facebook and are in the process of transitioning to Mighty Networks, which offers a unique platform for their program. Their techniques have never been done before. They are passionate about helping others navigate the challenges of neurodiversity in relationships and strive to empower individuals to live the most fulfilling lives possible."